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Thursday, August 14, 2014
Commentary on Prosvirnin's "The Russian appeal to Germany"
Yesterday when I posted Egor Prosvirnin "appeal" I knew that I would catch hell for it. Also, and to be really honest, I had some reservations of my own about the content of this appeal. Still, I assumed that most readers would be aware that I sometimes post things here which I do not necessarily agree with, but which I find important, or interesting, or a good way to trigger a good conversation. Apparently, some are still clearly disturbed by that approach of mine.
My initial thought was to post this appeal but with an introductory note in which I would express some of my reservations. I even wrote it. But then I decided that this would be wrong. Prosvirnin's appeal does not need any caveats or "sweeteners" from me. It stands on its own. Is it hostile or antagonistic? Hell yes it is! So what? Let us look at the context again. In very simple terms what is going on is the following:
The USA is waging an undeclared war on the Russian nation. In this war, the main "weapon" used is the EU and, in the EU, Germany. Or did we all suddenly forget the link that Germany had not only to Klichko, but also to the entire Maidan thing?! And how did it all begin? By Yanukovich announcing a delay in signing the Agreement with the EU. After that, it was an endless circus of EU politicians showing up on the Maidan to support the neo-Nazis.
Some posters here said that Prosvirnin's appeal would antagonize or offend Germans. Sorry guys, but we are not talking about a tea party for old women were one guest is being rude to the host. We are talking about the victim of a war expressing his disgust at one of the key aggressors! Not only does Prosvirnin have no obligation to be nice or even polite to anybody in the EU, he has the full right to be furious, disgusted and outraged that a country which inflicted such unspeakable suffering upon the Russian people during WWII and which owes its very existence to the (frankly stupid) belief of the Russians in 1991 that western promises would be kept, would act in such an arrogant and hostile way as Germany does today. Right now, I would argue that any Russian has a moral right to be angry, offended and disgusted with any and all European nations as all of them are accomplices in this war against Russia (what else is new? this was also the case in 1812 and in 1939).
Furthermore, may I remind my critics here that this is hardly the first time Germany shows such a lack of, what shall we call it, "memorial sensitivity" maybe?
Look at the role Germany played in the destruction of Yugoslavia. One could have imagined that having put a regime such as Pavelic's Ustashe in power (a regime I would argue was even worse the Nazi Germany!), Germans might want to keep a tad lower profile in Yugoslavia. But no!
It seems that Germany and the Germans have fully and totally allocated their "memorial sensitivity" to Jews, Israel and the memory of what the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe and that any other German or Nazi crimes simply don't matter any more. So, even if we assume that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews (which is an outlandish, absolutely ridiculous figure!), this still means that they killed 3-4 times more Soviets (mostly Russians) during WWII. So why all that whining about murdered Jews and this deafening indifference towards murdered Russians or Serbs?
Could it be that there is a massive dose of hypocrisy at work here?
Mind you, I do not believe in collective guilt. Furthermore, I don't even believe that the Germans behaved more shamefully during WWII than the Soviets, the USA, the Brits or anybody else. These countries were all were ruled by genocidal regimes which by 1939 had killed more people than Hitler ever did. And even the conquered European nations were so full of willing collaborators that they also deserve to feel ashamed. With a few possible exceptions like the Roms or Liechtenstein, pretty much everybody behaved in a shameful way during WWII. So I am not singling out Germany or the German people. But what I am saying is that Prosvirnin has the moral right to his outrage and that those Germans who are offended by it might want to reflect on it's causes.
Okay, so maybe Prosvirnin has the moral right to his anger, but that hardly means that this anger is constructive. What about the risk of offending, alienating or otherwise inflaming anti-Russian feelings in Germany?
To this I will answer that trying it the "nice way" certainly did not put even a small dent in the German anti-Russian policies. In fact, Putin did very calmly and respectfully speak to the German people earlier this year, but with the notable exception of a few heroic figures, most Germans just did not seem to care for what he had to say. And on a more individual level, there have been numerous articles, analyses and appeals published in Russia and elsewhere showing that Russia and Germany are natural allies (or should be), that Germany has nothing to gain by allying itself to Ukie Nazis or the AngloZionists. Numerous Russians have placed their hopes into somehow driving a wedge between Germany and the USA and finally getting Germany to develop some kind of independent foreign policy. And the results of all these nice and friendly appeals? *Nothing*. Nothing at all.
So why in the world would Germans expect all Russians to continue to be friendly, non-hostile, non-inflammatory, constructive, polite and respectful?!
So maybe it is high time for a good, strong, slap in the face?
Then comes the last argument: the German people are opposed to the US colonial regime in power (aka the German government). Is this not a bad thing for Russia if the German people become offended and alienated?
No. Not in the least.
For one thing, if the action (or lack thereof) of the German public today is indicative of what a non-offended and non-alienated German general public acts like, then who in Russia should give a damn about it anyway? It is not only Germany, by the way. The proud European people are all acting like zombies, like robots, like automatons which have fully accepted the state propaganda and who are now stuck in a drunken russophobic stupor.
There is a Nazi regime in power in a major European country, it is clearly and unambiguously racist and illegal, it is using ballistic missiles against its own people, and it has caused the biggest movement of refugees since WWII, and yet the European general public does not seem to give a damn. Sure, like during WWII, there is a small percentage of heroic man and women who resist like Sophie Scholl or Jean Moulin did. Today, this means fighting the information war and protesting by all possible means against the actions of the regimes in power. And unlike Scholl or Moulin, those who resist today in the EU don't even risk their lives, and yet there are so few - most do not care.
Until Russia imposed her own sanctions against the EU's agriculture.
Then, suddenly, politicians in Austria, France, Finland and elsewhere grew a conscience, literally overnight, and now they want dialog and say that confrontation is unproductive. Better late then never I guess.
All this is to say that if I don't necessarily agree with every word Egor Prosvirnin wrote and if I myself would have said it differently, I strongly believe that his message of anger and total disgust is absolutely appropriate and that those who don't like what they read better get used to it, as there will be a lot more coming out of Russia, possibly even more angry and more disgusting.
Like many key things in life, respect is earned. It cannot be demanded. And yes, Prosvirnin clearly has no more respect for the EU than Victoria Nuland.
Why should they? Why should anybody?
The Saker
My initial thought was to post this appeal but with an introductory note in which I would express some of my reservations. I even wrote it. But then I decided that this would be wrong. Prosvirnin's appeal does not need any caveats or "sweeteners" from me. It stands on its own. Is it hostile or antagonistic? Hell yes it is! So what? Let us look at the context again. In very simple terms what is going on is the following:
The USA is waging an undeclared war on the Russian nation. In this war, the main "weapon" used is the EU and, in the EU, Germany. Or did we all suddenly forget the link that Germany had not only to Klichko, but also to the entire Maidan thing?! And how did it all begin? By Yanukovich announcing a delay in signing the Agreement with the EU. After that, it was an endless circus of EU politicians showing up on the Maidan to support the neo-Nazis.
Some posters here said that Prosvirnin's appeal would antagonize or offend Germans. Sorry guys, but we are not talking about a tea party for old women were one guest is being rude to the host. We are talking about the victim of a war expressing his disgust at one of the key aggressors! Not only does Prosvirnin have no obligation to be nice or even polite to anybody in the EU, he has the full right to be furious, disgusted and outraged that a country which inflicted such unspeakable suffering upon the Russian people during WWII and which owes its very existence to the (frankly stupid) belief of the Russians in 1991 that western promises would be kept, would act in such an arrogant and hostile way as Germany does today. Right now, I would argue that any Russian has a moral right to be angry, offended and disgusted with any and all European nations as all of them are accomplices in this war against Russia (what else is new? this was also the case in 1812 and in 1939).
Furthermore, may I remind my critics here that this is hardly the first time Germany shows such a lack of, what shall we call it, "memorial sensitivity" maybe?
Look at the role Germany played in the destruction of Yugoslavia. One could have imagined that having put a regime such as Pavelic's Ustashe in power (a regime I would argue was even worse the Nazi Germany!), Germans might want to keep a tad lower profile in Yugoslavia. But no!
It seems that Germany and the Germans have fully and totally allocated their "memorial sensitivity" to Jews, Israel and the memory of what the Nazis did to the Jews of Europe and that any other German or Nazi crimes simply don't matter any more. So, even if we assume that the Nazis killed 6 million Jews (which is an outlandish, absolutely ridiculous figure!), this still means that they killed 3-4 times more Soviets (mostly Russians) during WWII. So why all that whining about murdered Jews and this deafening indifference towards murdered Russians or Serbs?
Could it be that there is a massive dose of hypocrisy at work here?
Mind you, I do not believe in collective guilt. Furthermore, I don't even believe that the Germans behaved more shamefully during WWII than the Soviets, the USA, the Brits or anybody else. These countries were all were ruled by genocidal regimes which by 1939 had killed more people than Hitler ever did. And even the conquered European nations were so full of willing collaborators that they also deserve to feel ashamed. With a few possible exceptions like the Roms or Liechtenstein, pretty much everybody behaved in a shameful way during WWII. So I am not singling out Germany or the German people. But what I am saying is that Prosvirnin has the moral right to his outrage and that those Germans who are offended by it might want to reflect on it's causes.
Okay, so maybe Prosvirnin has the moral right to his anger, but that hardly means that this anger is constructive. What about the risk of offending, alienating or otherwise inflaming anti-Russian feelings in Germany?
To this I will answer that trying it the "nice way" certainly did not put even a small dent in the German anti-Russian policies. In fact, Putin did very calmly and respectfully speak to the German people earlier this year, but with the notable exception of a few heroic figures, most Germans just did not seem to care for what he had to say. And on a more individual level, there have been numerous articles, analyses and appeals published in Russia and elsewhere showing that Russia and Germany are natural allies (or should be), that Germany has nothing to gain by allying itself to Ukie Nazis or the AngloZionists. Numerous Russians have placed their hopes into somehow driving a wedge between Germany and the USA and finally getting Germany to develop some kind of independent foreign policy. And the results of all these nice and friendly appeals? *Nothing*. Nothing at all.
So why in the world would Germans expect all Russians to continue to be friendly, non-hostile, non-inflammatory, constructive, polite and respectful?!
So maybe it is high time for a good, strong, slap in the face?
Then comes the last argument: the German people are opposed to the US colonial regime in power (aka the German government). Is this not a bad thing for Russia if the German people become offended and alienated?
No. Not in the least.
For one thing, if the action (or lack thereof) of the German public today is indicative of what a non-offended and non-alienated German general public acts like, then who in Russia should give a damn about it anyway? It is not only Germany, by the way. The proud European people are all acting like zombies, like robots, like automatons which have fully accepted the state propaganda and who are now stuck in a drunken russophobic stupor.
There is a Nazi regime in power in a major European country, it is clearly and unambiguously racist and illegal, it is using ballistic missiles against its own people, and it has caused the biggest movement of refugees since WWII, and yet the European general public does not seem to give a damn. Sure, like during WWII, there is a small percentage of heroic man and women who resist like Sophie Scholl or Jean Moulin did. Today, this means fighting the information war and protesting by all possible means against the actions of the regimes in power. And unlike Scholl or Moulin, those who resist today in the EU don't even risk their lives, and yet there are so few - most do not care.
Until Russia imposed her own sanctions against the EU's agriculture.
Then, suddenly, politicians in Austria, France, Finland and elsewhere grew a conscience, literally overnight, and now they want dialog and say that confrontation is unproductive. Better late then never I guess.
All this is to say that if I don't necessarily agree with every word Egor Prosvirnin wrote and if I myself would have said it differently, I strongly believe that his message of anger and total disgust is absolutely appropriate and that those who don't like what they read better get used to it, as there will be a lot more coming out of Russia, possibly even more angry and more disgusting.
Like many key things in life, respect is earned. It cannot be demanded. And yes, Prosvirnin clearly has no more respect for the EU than Victoria Nuland.
Why should they? Why should anybody?
The Saker
The Russian appeal to Germany
My name is Egor Prosvirnin, I am the chief editor of the Russian site sputnikipogrom.com which advocates European values. I’ve heard that one of the aspects of life that Europeans, and Germans especially, cherish is history. If we were to recall recent history, we would remember that a vast army of 300,000 Soviet troops along with 5,000 tanks, 1,500 aircraft and 10,000 artillery pieces (including tactical nuclear weapons) simply left the then just-united Germany without firing a shot.
It was an operation unprecedented in scope and brevity, when the entire Soviet army withdrew literally to open fields. Tens of thousands of Soviet officers, obeying the orders of the supreme command, went from their warm barracks to live in moldy tents set up in the middle of sodden snow-covered fields. In many instances along with their families.
For what?
For hope. Hope that the dark pages of history between our two countries were finally and forever past. Hope that we no longer have to keep armies of tanks in the center of Europe, and that Europe would respect and consider our interests. Hope that in a united Germany we would have a good friend and ally, with whom Russia would fulfill the dream of Charles de Gaulle of a united Europe stretching from Lisbon to Vladivostok.
When our armies were leaving Germany, our soldiers were told that Germany had recognized and redeemed its mistakes of the past, there were no undecided issues with Germany, and that we would no longer hear German voices calling for retribution against Russia, therefore we did not need our Army of tanks positioned in the middle of Europe.
From that moment, Russians and Germans were friends, and friends have no need for vast armadas of armor and tanks. Russians should cease being afraid of a united Germany and disarm.
And we disarmed. And for 20 years we felt that we did the right thing, that the past is forgotten forever, and that the Germans appreciated how readily we closed all the bases and brought all the troops home (although there are American bases in Germany to date). In good times our friends know us; in troubled times we come to know our friends; and troubled times did come via the Ukrainian crisis. It became clear that the Germans do not remember the good. It turned out that the Germans did not learn the lessons of history, it seems that the Germans viewed the voluntary dismantling and withdrawal of our war machine not as humanism and goodwill, but weakness.
It turns out that when the Americans spoke loudly and sharply with the German chancellor, whom they for all these years have kept under surveillance like some sticky-fingered housemaid, the entire German society leaped up like a submissive dog running obediently to its American master…. even when the conflict with Russia goes against German economic and political interests. It seems therefore that if one blunts their sword, removes their armor, ceases the Soviet-era preparations for World War III, and is reaching out to the Germans, the Germans will spit in your extended hand at the first opportunity.
It turns out that Russians are yet again “Untermensch”, who can be savaged with impunity on the pages of the German press and punitive sanctions demanded from the rostrum of the Bundestag, while disallowing an opportunity for Russia to openly and equitably argue its case. It turns out, however, that the Ukrainian government can without any liability prohibit the Russian language, jail Russian activists, target residential neighborhoods with volleys of artillery, kill thousands of civilians who happen to be mostly Russian – and that’s OK. It is OK because it’s a “democracy”, and it suits Germany because Russians are “Untermensch”, because Russians are Jews whose blood for Germans is worth nothing. And what’s more, for trying to defend themselves, for attempting to return fire against the Ukrainian armed forces, Russians should be punished, publicly harassed, their will to resist broken, and then forced into an international Russian ghetto.
Then burn that ghetto, as the Trade Unions building in Odessa was burned with 49 pro-Russian protesters inside. Do you know how the Ukrainian social networks responded to this holocaust? By referring to the dead as “Colorado Shishkebabs”(*) – this is what tens of thousands of people in the Ukrainian social networks wrote, including indecent sayings copied into photos of the charred bodies.
We are again the subhumans, we are again nothing but animals that Ukrainian Nazis may kill with impunity, creating a “Russian-frei Ukraina”. According to the data collected by Human Rights Watch, only during this past July the Ukrainians killed one thousand one hundred fifty PEACEFUL RUSSIANS in the eastern part of the country, and these killings continue daily. Where are your protests, Germany? Where are your sanctions against Ukraine? Where is your vaunted humanism that you profess to have learned since 1945 by recognizing the errors from your past?
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| artwork by Josetxo Ezcurra |
Saur-Mogila, which is located on strategic heights and is a memorial to Russian soldiers who died there 70 years ago during a fierce battle with the Wehrmacht, has once again been stormed. This time by the Ukrainian battalion “Azov” wearing their Wolfsangel patches, a symbol of the 2nd, 4th and 34th SS divisions, and you are silent! Russian militia are ducking behind the granite statues of Soviet soldiers from neo-Nazi bullets fired by “the National Guard” of Ukraine, and you dare to agree with the American nonsense about “Russian aggression”! Ukrainians shoot cities with ballistic missiles, leaving craters in places homes once stood, and you impose sanctions not against Ukraine but against Russia!
Again, troops are killing unarmed Russian civilians, and you are debating whether it is time to start delivering weapons to these murderers so that they can kill more Russians? All of your vaunted “politics of memory” and “learning from the past” is simply a pile of dog shit, as again before your eyes unarmed civilians are butchered, and you applaud this and promise these Ukrainian murderers fresh financing.
You have not learned humanism, you Germans. You have not learned responsibility. You have not learned to resist Evil and tell that Evil clearly to its face, “No, you are the killer, I will not help you, you must stop the killing immediately.” You have not learned to be a responsible, independent, free people, who are capable of giving good in return for good.
You are slaves who think good is a weakness.
In 1934, Hitler drove you like sheep, and in 2014 Obama is your shepherd. If tomorrow in Germany, the Americans open a concentration camp for Russians, half of you will immediately submit their curriculum vitaefor jobs as operators of the gas chambers, and your press will start to explain how this camp is patriotic and good for the German economy. It would then follow that killing these Russian “Untermensch”, crafting lampshades out of their skin for daring to resist, and sending this nicely packaged to Washington to please your American ally.
Germans have failed their test. When Evil has returned again to Europe, you do not even attempt to resist it, and immediately fall prostrate at its feet like a slave after the eagerly-awaited, long delayed return of your master. Serve Evil, impose sanctions, support the murder of Russians, supply weapons to the killers of Russians, justify this genocide – the end of your story will be familiar, because Evil cannot win.
I will conclude this text with a popular quote from the famous American stateswoman Ms. Victoria Nuland, who obviously makes the decisions in Ukraine instead of your Chancellor:
“Fuck the EU”.
Like it or not, but admit that the Americans are a smart people capable of accurately determining the “price” of a united Germany and a united Europe.
source: http://sputnikipogrom.com/europe/germany/18213/russian-appeal/
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