For those of you who have been regular readers of my blog it is no secret that after 8 years of doubts and confusion I have finally come to the conclusion that 9/11 was an "inside job". I would refer those who are not aware of my fairly recent "conversion" to the "truther" camp and of the motives which caused it to my paper "How I became a dedicated 9-11 Truther" which you can download from here (this is actually a letter I wrote to a friend and it lays out why I strongly believe that there can be no doubt whatsoever about the fact that 9/11 was an "inside job"). Please do read it as I will write the rest of this post under the assumption that you have read my paper where I substantiate and reference the following facts:
1) The US government and corporate media do not have any explanations about how the WTC1 and WTC2 fell. NIST simply did not investigate the events which followed the "initiation of collapse". In case you wonder what happened to the previously official version of the "pancaking" theory - NIST quietly dropped it. Let me repeat this once again. THERE IS NO "OFFICIAL VERSION" FOR THE COLLAPSE OF WTC1 and WTC2. None. Ziltch. Nihil. Notin'. Niente. As in "absolutely no nothing". Got it?
You never heard about this?! I am not surprised. But it gets even better, watch this:
2) The US government admitted that WTC7 feel in free fall acceleration for 2.25 seconds. Why is that important? Simply because that means that a number of floors of WTC7 simply disappeared instantaneously and symmetrically from under the roof of WTC7. There is only one possible way to remove a section of a building instantaneously: by explosive power. Yes, the admission by Uncle Sam that the WTC7 feel for at least 2.25 seconds is an implicit admission that explosives were used. Let me repeat this one too: UNCLE SAM HAS DE-FACTO ADMITTED THAT EXPLOSIVES WERE USED IN WTC7.
Amazing, jaw-dropping stuff I would say, no? So why do I not hear the endless rumble of jaws hitting the floor all over the USA and the rest of the world? Maybe I should drive home the point even more forcefully? Ok, lemme try this:
Since Uncle Sam has admitted that only explosives can explain what was observed on September 11th, Uncle Sam has also admitted that he is guilty of that crime. No outside agency, nevermind some semi-mythical 'al-Qaeda' could have had access to a super secret building like WTC7. Only Uncle Sam could have rigged that building to bring it down in a few seconds.
I still do not hear the endless rumble of jaws hitting the floor all over the USA and the rest of the world...
The 'official narrative' (its not even a theory) about 9/11 is so full of holes that one could easily write a 100 pages long paper analyzing all the impossibilities populating literally every aspect of it: from the exploded and non-exploded residue of thermitic material found in huge amounts in the WTC dust, to the impossible telephone calls allegedly made from the hijacked aircraft, to the non-existing plane wrecks in DC and Shanksville, to the absolutely amazing biographies of the putative hijackers all of which seem to have been US government agents, to the role of Pakistan and Israel, to the ridiculous claims about recovered flight manuals, passports, letters, to the impossible flight profiles of the aircraft in DC and NY, etc. - none of it makes any sense at all. Every single one of these absolutely nonsensical parts of the official narrative deserves its own investigation and the good news is that it has already been done, very effectively, by the 9/11 Truth movement (my personal "9/11 electronic library" is currently at 22.6GB (!) of data, most of it high-quality research by very smart folks which have literally eviscerated all the absolute crap of the official narrative) Yet nobody seems to care.
Why?
In my training years I was taught that the process of intelligence revolves around three distinct phases, called the "three As": acquisition, analysis, acceptance.
The first one - acquisition - is all about collecting the data and that has been comprehensively done by thousands of folks since 9/11. The second one - analysis - centers on the careful analysis of the collected data, and I would say that the 9/11 Truth movement has also done a superb job in that respect too. Which leaves the last one - acceptance - which is the process by which the intelligence community brings its conclusions to the attention of the decision makers. It is in this final aspect that the 9/11 Truth movement has largely failed, at least so far: amazingly, even though the truth about 9/11 is out there, only a couple of computer mouse clicks away - most people simply do not give a damn.
Worse, those who do not consider themselves as "truthers" often reflect an amazing degree of bigotry and hostility. These are the folks who refer to "truthers" and their theories as "cooks", "garbage" and, my all-time favorite "conspiracy theories" (as if the official narrative is not one hell of an absurd conspiracy theory!). Why do these "skeptics" so naively accept an absolutely ridiculous official narrative and show such a vitriolic hostility towards those who dare question it?
David Ray Griffin wrote a brilliant open letter to the left-leaning wing of such "skeptics" entitled Left-Leaning Despisers of the 9/11 Truth Movement: Do You Really Believe in Miracles? which you can download from here. Please do take the time to download and read it, it clearly shows that it is not the "truthers" who believe in miracles, but the so-called "skeptics". Griffin addressed his letter to left-leaning despisers, but he could have addressed it to the right-leaning despisers too - they are equally unwilling (or unable) to cope with the mind-boggling implications of the fact that 9/11 was beyond any doubt an inside job. Yes, the implications of this are truly appalling and, frankly, quite frightening and the aggressive reaction of the 'despisers" is not so much a reflection of their careful analysis and subsequent rejection of the evidence as it is a reflection of their fear to take a hard look at reality. It is hard, if not impossible, to achieve "acceptance" when your audience is absolutely terrified by the implications of your analysis and conclusions.
The 9/11 Truth movement is composed of people who have all dared to think the unthinkable. Some from day 1, some, like myself, from roughly day 3000, but who all eventually dared to plunge in the cold waters of facts and logic no matter where this might lead them.
In contrast, I find that most skeptics, in particular of the aggressive "despisers" variety are really what I call "existential cowards" - folks who choose delusion over the painful facts of reality.
There have been attempts by some in the 9/11 Truth movement to appeal to the common sense of the "despisers". One of my favorite ones is this video:
Yet, one would have to admit that these efforts have not yielded the results one could have reasonably expected. If anything, the more evidence the 9/11 Truth movement produces, the most vociferous hostility it gets from the "despisers". So where do we go from here?
Social psychology has shown the many ways in which people can be lead to believe the exact opposite of what their own eyes are showing them (check out, for example, the research known has the "Asch conformity experiments") or how figures of authority can elicit an amazing degree of obedience to "authority" (check out Milgram's work on obedience to authority). Here I think of those who reject the evidence about 9/11 basically because Noam Chomsky or Ron Paul dismiss it.
We can, of course, find some solace in the words of Gandhi about how "first they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win", but I would not hold my breath for a final "victory" any time soon. Yes, there are some absolutely amazing people in the 9/11 Truth movement (the names of Richard Gage, Steven Jones and David Ray Griffin immediately come to my mind), but these are all specialists, our movement still lacks a unifying Gandhi who would have the authority to speak for all and loudly cry out "But he isn't wearing anything at all!" when presented with the official myths and fairy tales about September 11th. Sooner or later such a person will appear, I believe, but in the meantime I say that we should just keep working on the already huge corpus of 9/11 research without expecting to ever hear the endless rumble of jaws dropping to the floor. Folks - it ain't coming and we might as well get used to this unpalatable fact.
Looking at how long it took my own jaw to drop (8 years!) I find some solace in the idea that we will be able to convince people, although not en masse, but one by one, one jaw at a time. That should be the objective - small steps in the right direction while remaining steadfastly unaffected by the never ending stream vitriol and scorn from the existential cowards who are freaked out by reality.
The Saker
IMPORTANT UPDATE: since some have had problems downloading the docs I am referring to in this post, I have also uploaded them, zipped into one file, to Megaupload. You can get them here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D1A7YI9U
IMPORTANT UPDATE: since some have had problems downloading the docs I am referring to in this post, I have also uploaded them, zipped into one file, to Megaupload. You can get them here: http://www.megaupload.com/?d=D1A7YI9U
29 comments:
Agree completely! Our entire world visible through the media is a veil of lies- Government, Politics, Foreign Policy, Economics and fiscal matters. When a tiny handful of people control the media, why does this surprise anybody? Watch the recoil in horror in the face of any public declaration of this simple fact! You are the equivalent of a Holocaust denier. – a “the press is a free institution searching for the truth” denier. Even matters on which the hive has considered as secular sacred cow like global warming join the untouchables. If you want to get labeled as a cook. Wing nut. … you can privately talk about these things but not in a public forum, - even in a published letters to the editor context. – or Antiwar.com – or my beloved Pat Buchanan, Some things are too radioactive to speak about in public. What have we become in the world? Who could have predicted that a deracinated public would buckle and queue up on demand in the face of a media in the hands of the in crowd? The answer is that the country is too big. With smaller units, veins of independent thought can be nourished and achieve enough stature so the world media would need to either demonize the entity that dares to blaspheme, or open a true public debate on the issues, which they can’t and won’t ever do.
Rumsfeld a few minutes before the attacks on the Twin Towers: "we are going to be attacked but I don't know where". The video footage is on the Internet.
Was it an "inside job"? I don't know, I prefer not to think about it.
People are not going to get their heads round the idea of 9/11 being an inside job regardless of the evidence. Mainstream culture has very effectively labelled dissenters as nutjobs and the majority will be too afraid of losing credibility. Also the idea of 9/11 being an inside job is pretty terrifying - if the powers that be are capable of murdering thousands of moneyed Republicans and corporate barons then the state is certainly capable of rubbing out any number of the little people should that prove necessary.
The 9/11 truth movement will be having conventions for the next thirty years but it will meet the same fate as those who question the JFK assassination. It will be the grassy knoll all over again.
robert
One big problem with your 9/11 post, which I take it this is not the one you were talking about in the lead up to 9/11 you will be doing another more extensive one, is that it negates the various well established links to foreign jihadists documented by various foreign intelligence agencies since at least 2000 including Russia saying that there was an impending attack on the US using airlines.
Not to mention both financial and other evidence linking Atta and the other hijackers to established NGO’s and individuals that have been involved and linked to other terrorist attacks against western interests starting with the Embassy bombings in 98 after the establishment of literally a hand full of terrorists with Bin Ladin and leaders of other terrorist groups establishing a small movement to attack western interests in that same year.
Are you saying that no Muslims were involved in the 9/11 attack?
I don’t see how they could have expertly wired both WTC 1 & 2 for an internal explosion which takes hours in normal demolitions like you see in Las Vegas in one of the busiest building in the world without anybody noticing.
To pull of something that complicated would take weeks in advance to rig and raise some suspicious activities prior to 9/11 like shift in security procedures.
In my 9/11 post I will cover the main issues no one addresses (if the articles and links are still on the net) which puts everything in context.
@jack: Are you saying that no Muslims were involved in the 9/11 attack?
No, I am not saying that at all. What I am saying that the putative "Muslims" (who spent their time whoring and drinking before 9/11) played exactly the same role as Marinus van der Lubbe in the burning of the Reichstag or Lee Harvey Oswald in the shooting of Kennedy.
I don’t see how they could have expertly wired both WTC 1 & 2 for an internal explosion which takes hours in normal demolitions like you see in Las Vegas in one of the busiest building in the world without anybody noticing.
You have clearly not taken the time to actually read my paper even though it contains the answer to your question. Still, I hope that you will read this:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/s9ibw4cpktd99be/Demolition%20access%20to%20the%20World%20Trade%20Center%20towers.pdf
@VINEYARDSAKER
I tried to read it before posting my comment but I think the link is broken as when I clicked on it, it does not appear and get this error message.
“Internet Explorer cannot display the webpage.”
Can't directly download it either.
I’ll try a different web browser to see if that makes a difference.
“No, I am not saying that at all. What I am saying that the putative "Muslims" (who spent their time whoring and drinking before 9/11) played exactly the same role as Marinus van der Lubbe in the burning of the Reichstag or Lee Harvey Oswald in the shooting of Kennedy.”
Do you mean they were set up outright to be at the wrong place at the wrong time or they where covertly encouraged to carry out the attack aided and abetted by the intelligence services and government who without their assistance would make it impossible to carry out?
I think all the information is there in regards to Bin Ladin and 9/11 and the whole Islamist movement but deliberately not put in context especially the alleged smoking gun video tape of Bin Ladin discussing the attack in Afghanistan and discovered by US special forces and information censored out by the mass media and news publications and websites.
You wouldn't have a link to the full "smoking gun video" of Bin Ladin discussing it in Afghanistan. I would like to see the full video discussion on what Bin Ladin actually says.
@jack: sorry to hear about your download issues. You definitely want to try using FireFox. Also, MediaFire being a free hosting service, they might have bandwidth problems. In fact, right now their page is not loading for me either, but it worked earlier today. Try tomorrow morning maybe. If you still cannot get the files, please send me your email address and I will send them to you directly.
Do you mean they were set up outright to be at the wrong place at the wrong time or they where covertly encouraged to carry out the attack aided and abetted by the intelligence services and government who without their assistance would make it impossible to carry out?
Well, I can only speculate but my feeling is that they were on board the planes which hit the buildings. I am not so sure that they were actually piloting them, but that is another issue. Bottom line, I am quite certain that the planes did hit the towers (at least WTC1 and WTC2) and that the US used al-Qaeda linked elements onboard these aircraft to build the myth about that being an al-Qaeda operation. Since clearly no al-Qaeda had the means to bring in tons of explosives in 3 buildings at the same time, that was Uncle Sam's making.
Watch the movie Fabled Enemies:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2144933190875239407#
it will give you plenty of info about these 19 hijackers and their ties to Uncle Sam.
Let me know what you think about the movie, ok?
godalmighty you've joined the ranks of the kooks.
I dont know why I'm still subscribing.
There's not going to be an attack on Iran either.
@Bernard: godalmighty you've joined the ranks of the kooks
actually, I joined the kooks about year ago :-)
Trouble is supporting the 9/11 truth movement will undermine your credibility with many other people. That's why Chomsky and Amy Goodman won't touch it. Maybe this is not how the world should be but it is how the world is.
The readers of this blog would do well to read the following articles by Andrew Marshall, describing the history of, and the reasons behind, the US / West's wholesale creation of manipulable Islamic groups, which dates from the 1970's, or even the 1920s, if one counts British funding of the Egyptian group that would come to be known as the 'Muslim Brotherhood'.
The psyop preamble to 9 / 11 began in the 1970s and came to a head in the 1990s, with the radical neocon-infested PNAC's publication of Renewing American Defenses. The goal was to create artificially radicalized Islamic groups which would sow the social chaos that would provide a pretext for Western military intervention in Yugoslavia, the Mideast and Central Asia. [see: Bernard Lewis and his 'Arc of Crisis' theory].
The US was well aware that it needed a useful, pliable tool to prepare the ground for hegemony over Central Asia and its rich hydrocarbon and mineral resources, in the post-Soviet era – to push back any Russian influence and prevent China from getting a foot in the door.
The encirclement of Russia and China, the only potential counter forces to US / UK global hegemony, has long been the ultimate goal.
So, although I'd agree that raising awareness of the lies surrounding 9 / 11 is important, it is much more urgent that people understand why a 'new Pearl Harbor' was necessary and where the US's geopolitical goal of 100% military and financial dominance is taking humanity.
The following articles provide a good introduction.
The Imperial Anatomy of Al-Qaeda. The CIA’s Drug-Running Terrorists and the “Arc of Crisis” – Part I
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20907
The End of the Cold War and Strategy for the New World Order – Part II
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20944
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@anonymous,
Your post helped make Saker's point as to the fear aspect of most Americans in not seeking the truth, for fear of actually finding it and not being able to deal with it....
Press TV has been airing a documentary called
"Zero: An Investigation into 9/11"
Check it out....
@anonymous14:17:Trouble is supporting the 9/11 truth movement will undermine your credibility
True. But unlike Chomsky or Goodman I really don't give a damn about what people think of me. I try to be honest, fact based and logical. And if some folks think that this makes me a 'kook' - so be it. The can always read the WSJ or The Economist and feel "serious" :-P
@anonymous15:47(jack?): I consider Bernard Lewis as a typical Zionist propagandist and all this "Muslim-centered" talk in the context of 9/11 as a smoke screen, no more. If you look at the behavior of the putative hijackers (whoring, gambling, drinking) you will see that they were not real Muslims at all. At best, they were patsies, used by the US and Israeli intelligence services to act as the 'One And Only True Culprit' (all in caps!) in 9/11 to better hide the role of the real culprits.
To chase the "Muslim trail" in 9/11 is as silly as for a bull to chase the red cloth the torero is shaking in front of the poor beast who would be much better off killing the torero.
God knows I hate Wahabism and I loathe the zombies who are brainwashed into that ideology, but I categorically refuse to blame 9/11 on them. That lets the real culprits off the hook.
@Mari: Your post helped make Saker's point as to the fear aspect of most Americans in not seeking the truth
Mar - thanks for your supportive comment. You are right of course, but I don't expect a person so full of certitudes and so devoid of even basic information to listen anything you or I might have to say. To call us 'kooks' serves exactly that purpose: to rationalize why you are not listening to somebody. That's alright - this type of individual will always be out there. The good news is that they don't matter too much, being passive followers anyway...
Cheers!
The Saker
@VINEYARDSAKER:
I only use the name jack or john never anonymous as it will get confused with people who also use it.
I watched a section of Fabled Enemies on Brasscheck TV before about the government access codes to military, airline, etc which I think if confirmed is the best proof that the government was involved in the 9/11 attack.
I will watch it tomorrow (it’s 2 am here in Britain) and tell you what I think from what I have seen so far it confirms my thesis of what happened.
@jack: I only use the name jack or john never anonymous
Fair enough. My mistake and my apology for it.
I watched a section of Fabled Enemies on Brasscheck TV before about the government access codes to military, airline, etc which I think if confirmed is the best proof that the government was involved in the 9/11 attack
If my memory is correct, the 2nd part of Fable Enemies also looks into Israel's likely role in all this. Make sure to watch the full thing.
Did you succeed in downloading the 3 files I wanted you to have (mine, Griffin's and "Demolition access")?
and tell you what I think from what I have seen so far it confirms my thesis of what happened.
I very much look forward to hear your views on this.
Good nite!
The Saker
VINYARDSAKER:
@anonymous15:47(jack?): I consider Bernard Lewis as a typical Zionist propagandist and all this "Muslim-centered" talk in the context of 9/11 as a smoke screen, no more.
No, not 'Jack'. My name is Dana :) I will sign my name in any future posts.
I didn't make my point clearly. By no means was I implying that 'Muslims' were behind 9/11. And, yes, Bernard Lewis is an arch Zionist propagandist. It should be noted that he was also in the employ of MI6 for a number of years, and as a 'respected historian' of the Mideast, managed to work his way into the shadows of upper echelon Pentagon officials. He's had a number of Whitehouse and Defense officials listening to his theories of 'creative chaos' mixed with the usual Zionist pro-Israel paranoia.
If you'll read Marshall's articles, I think you'll understand better the point I was trying to make.
Al Qaeda is an umbrella term for a data base of western intelligence-trained operatives. The Taliban were trained by Pakistan's ISI, in the 1990s, using CIA funding, funelled through Saudia Arabia. They're both artificial, 'Made in the west'.
It is thanks to the supine compliance of major media in covering these two groups over more than a decade prior to 9/11, stressing their violence and 'sneaky' ubiquitousness, that minds were prepared accept the preposterous idea that bitter Muslims pulled off 9/11.
Watch the following excerpt from a BBC Special broadcast the very night of September 11, 2001, from New York. The dust hadn't even settled, and there we have Richard Perle, Ehud Barak [yes, he just so happened to be in NYC that day!], Frank Gaffney and a couple of others who remained unidentified, pointing the finger at Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda! -- Note how Ehud Barak takes the opportunity to go through the whole long list of Israel's 'enemies', whom he maintains were directly or indirectly involved in the attacks. In my view, this is as significant a 'smoking gun' as any; largely overlooked by the Truth movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-VB4NWlXYM&
Zionists and US officials have been engaged in such an unhealthy incestuous bond since WWII that it's difficult to discern whose interests are whose with regard to both foreign and domestic US policy.
In my view, 9/11 was an inside-outside job, with the US and Israel as ring-leaders, assisted possibly by a few CIA puppets, Pakistan and Saudi intelligence, serving as fronts for the operation.
The point I tried to make in my previous comment is that, while we sift through and debate details of the attacks, the Master Plan for the establishment of hegemony over Central Asia, indeed 'full-spectrum global dominance' in Pentagon parlance, procedes apace. Tragically, Iran is up for 'Iraq-treatment' next, as it is the last standing barrier to the complete containment of Russia's southern border. A fully compliant Iran will ensure that its hydrocarbon resources and those of key neighboring countires will serve US/EU/Israeli interests only.
The US [EU and Israel's] goal is to establish control over Central Asian petrochemical and mineral resources so as to be in a position to manipulate Russian and Chinese economic development. Brzezinski and others spelled this out most explicitly in the 1980s.
I do not mean to suggest that the Truth movement is a waste of time, but I do consider it URGENT that the movement's energies be oriented towards the creation of greater awareness of the fundamental, ultimate purpose 9/11 served. The house is in full flame and we're using our energies to try to understand what caused the fire as opposed to scrambling to put the damn thing out.
-- Dana
VINYARDSAKER:
@anonymous15:47(jack?): I consider Bernard Lewis as a typical Zionist propagandist and all this "Muslim-centered" talk in the context of 9/11 as a smoke screen, no more.
No, not 'Jack'. My name is Dana :) I will sign my name in any future posts.
I didn't make my point clearly. By no means was I implying that 'Muslims' were behind 9/11. And, yes, Bernard Lewis is an arch Zionist propagandist. It should be noted that he was also in the employ of MI6 for a number of years, and as a 'respected historian' of the Mideast, managed to work his way into the shadows of upper echelon Pentagon officials. He's had a number of Whitehouse and Defense officials listening to his theories of 'creative chaos' mixed with the usual Zionist pro-Israel paranoia.
If you'll read Marshall's articles, I think you'll understand better the point I was trying to make.
Al Qaeda is an umbrella term for a data base of western intelligence-trained operatives. The Taliban were trained by Pakistan's ISI, in the 1990s, using CIA funding, funelled through Saudia Arabia. They're both artificial, 'Made in the west'.
It is thanks to the supine compliance of major media in covering these two groups over more than a decade prior to 9/11, stressing their violence and 'sneaky' ubiquitousness, that minds were prepared accept the preposterous idea that bitter Muslims pulled off 9/11.
Watch the following excerpt from a BBC Special broadcast the very night of September 11, 2001, from New York. The dust hadn't even settled, and there we have Richard Perle, Ehud Barak [yes, he just so happened to be in NYC that day!], Frank Gaffney and a couple of others who remained unidentified, pointing the finger at Osama Bin Laden and Al Qaeda! -- Note how Ehud Barak takes the opportunity to go through the whole long list of Israel's 'enemies', whom he maintains were directly or indirectly involved in the attacks. In my view, this is as significant a 'smoking gun' as any; largely overlooked by the Truth movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-VB4NWlXYM&
[cont ... ]
I accept that 9-11 was an inside job. The coalescence of so many wild improbabilities and coincidences into the real and actual needed for the official "conspiracy theory" to have any validity would require the personal intervention of a diety.
But I still have problems with the controlled demolition theory. It is logically consistent with observed reality and certainly a possibility, but seems wildly improbable and also unnecessary to the overall goal of getting the US involved in a war. Suckering some gullible Muslims into flying a plane into the side of the buildings would have been sufficient as a casus belli, while bringing the buildings down with controlled demolition way too involved and risky. It would have been really hard to pull off.
On the other hand, no other theory comes close to explaining how three massively tall buildings could collapse symmetrically at near free fall speed into neat little piles rather than toppling over or collapsing in stages.
So I'm left very confused and uncertain.
BTW, for those interested in watching Flash movies like "Fabled Enemies" at their leisure and with it being easy to fast forward to different parts, you can download these movies with a Firefox add-on called DownloadHelper.
http://www.downloadhelper.net/
The best program for viewing these downloaded videos is VLC which has versions for Mac, PC and Linux:
http://www.videolan.org/vlc/
@Dana:Al Qaeda is an umbrella term for a data base of western intelligence-trained operatives. The Taliban were trained by Pakistan's ISI, in the 1990s, using CIA funding, funelled through Saudia Arabia. They're both artificial, 'Made in the west'.
I totally agree. 100%
In my view, 9/11 was an inside-outside job, with the US and Israel as ring-leaders, assisted possibly by a few CIA puppets, Pakistan and Saudi intelligence, serving as fronts for the operation.
Yes. Again, this is also the conclusion I came to.
The point I tried to make in my previous comment is that, while we sift through and debate details of the attacks, the Master Plan for the establishment of hegemony over Central Asia, indeed 'full-spectrum global dominance' in Pentagon parlance, procedes apace. Tragically, Iran is up for 'Iraq-treatment' next, as it is the last standing barrier to the complete containment of Russia's southern border. A fully compliant Iran will ensure that its hydrocarbon resources and those of key neighboring countires will serve US/EU/Israeli interests only.
Understood and, again, I fully agree with these conclusions too.
I do not mean to suggest that the Truth movement is a waste of time, but I do consider it URGENT that the movement's energies be oriented towards the creation of greater awareness of the fundamental, ultimate purpose 9/11 served.
Yes, but how to you do that without first making it clear to all that "9/11 was an inside-outside job, with the US and Israel as ring-leaders, assisted possibly by a few CIA puppets, Pakistan and Saudi intelligence, serving as fronts for the operation"? It seems to me that if we can prove that 9/11 is an inside/outside job (I like that term very much) we can bring down their entire plan. There is not hard proof that they have a "the Master Plan for the establishment of hegemony over Central Asia, indeed 'full-spectrum global dominance" but we DO now have proof that WTC1, WTC2 and WTC7 were brought down not by planes, but by explosives. Should we not hammer in that point over and over and over and over again?
What do you see as the appropriate logical sequence in unmasking the Empire's real nature and plans?
@Sean: Suckering some gullible Muslims into flying a plane into the side of the buildings would have been sufficient as a casus belli, while bringing the buildings down with controlled demolition way too involved and risky. It would have been really hard to pull off.
I agree and I do not have 'THE' answer. However, the fact that I do not have the answer does not change the reality of what we all can clealry see about what happened that day. My best guess is that brining WTC7 down was essential to hide the all the documents relating the Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld admission on 9/10 (a day before 9/11) that over 2 TRILLION (not million or billion, but trillion with a 'T': $2,000,000,000,000!) could not be accounted for by the Pentagon. Ditto for the 3000-4000 Security and Exchange Commission investigation files which were conveniently lost in the destruction of WTC7 (including all the files about the Citigroup and WorldCom investigations ("Citigroup Facing Subpoena in IPO Probe". The Street. http://www.thestreet.com/markets/matthewgoldstein/10036925.html. "Federal Agencies: Re-Creating Lost Files". New York Lawyer. 2001-09-14. http://www.nylawyer.com/login.php?source=/news/01/09/091401b.) Since it is REALLY hard to hit WTC7 and the building was not a symbol, they had to hit WTC1 and WTC2. Furthermore, only a full collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 could somehow explain the collapse of WTC7, hence the sequence. That, combined with the fact that the buildings were old, nicely insured, and needed major work probably made a neat collapse something which greedy folks like Silverstein would want. But, of course, these are only speculations. That is what an independent investigative commission would need to establish.
What makes this whole thing - 911- easier to understand is that binLadin and the millitant Zionists really have the same objectives in the limited sense that the want a war of civilizations with the West, of course believing this war will upset the status quo which both these groups find non acceptable. Zionists want the US in the foxhole with Israel so Israel can embark on s program of Manifest Destiny in the middle east. binLadin etc want this war because they find encroachment of the West on current Muslim strongholds (saudi srabia) to an abomination, as well as our support for stooge regimes in countries bordering Israel, Egypt, Jordan ... So with the convergence of interests, the tip of the sword was Muslim, but the shoulders that trust the blade was Likudnick/Neocon axis. Both these groups want to "get it on" with a war of civilizations because things are not moving fast enough in the current trajectory of foreign policy alignment. Thats why Mossad was watching the Hijackers in Hollywood FLA while they were learning to fly- sort of. And reported too late with non actionable details to the US. Thats why the "dancing Israelis" gave each other high fives as the towers burned. When the US becomes at war with 1.5 Billion Muslims, both sides of the axis from hell will rejoice, expecting what will evolve from there to be to their liking.
There's no question but that the Empire wants to seize control of the Middle East and Central Asia so as to dominate the world's energy supplies. In economic terms the US is bankrupt and if the only reason to hold dollars were to buy goods and services made in the US the dollar would plummet. It is vital that the dollar remains the world's reserve currency and China's Achilles heel is that the US Navy can block Chinas oil imports by sea. The Straits of Malacca are one obvious chokepoint so are the straits of Hormuz. Indeed Hillary threatened China to go along with Iranian sanctions by saying that otherwise Israel might attack Iran and the Straits would then be closed, cutting off China's entire oil supply.
Afghanistan and Pakistan are potentially an alternative energy corridor by land between Iran and both India and China. That in my opinion is the real reason why Uncle Sam is in Afpak and why he won't be leaving any time soon.
9/11 was a godsend for the Empire. It doesn't prove that 9/11 was an inside job but certainly the motive was there.
China is an ally of Pakistan and I believe played a key role in helping Pakistan to acquire a nuclear capability. India appears to be in the American orbit.
There are two vast economic and military blocs shaping up. Oceania (US,UK,Canada,Australia,New Zealand)Israel and India versus Eurasia (Russia, China, Pakistan) Both sides possess such huge nuclear reserves that a direct war between them is unlikely. More likely is that the Fourth World War will be fought with proxy wars in the Third World just as the Third World War (Cold War) was. It may have been called the Cold War but it got pretty hot in parts of Asia and Africa.
In the long run Eurasia will overtake Oceania. Personally I am all for several poles of power in the world rather than just one. A unipolar world spells tyranny no matter who the hegemon is. Plus several poles of power gives small countries like the UK more room to manoeuvre. The danger is that Oceania will try and solve the problem of its relative economic decline by military means.
Which brings us back to 9/11. I must confess until recently I regarded the 9/11 truthers as pretty much kooks. Having been presented with hard evidence I'm more of an agnostic. It's hard to believe that the shadow statet could be quite so depraved as to murder several thousand of its own people in a false flag op. Bear in mind that those working in the WTC towers were some of the richest and most influential people in the land. Not to mention a direct hit on the Pentagon.
robert
There's no question but that the Empire wants to seize control of the Middle East and Central Asia so as to dominate the world's energy supplies. In economic terms the US is bankrupt and if the only reason to hold dollars were to buy goods and services made in the US the dollar would plummet. It is vital that the dollar remains the world's reserve currency and China's Achilles heel is that the US Navy can block Chinas oil imports by sea. The Straits of Malacca are one obvious chokepoint so are the straits of Hormuz. Indeed Hillary threatened China to go along with Iranian sanctions by saying that otherwise Israel might attack Iran and the Straits would then be closed, cutting off China's entire oil supply.
Afghanistan and Pakistan are potentially an alternative energy corridor by land between Iran and both India and China. That in my opinion is the real reason why Uncle Sam is in Afpak and why he won't be leaving any time soon.
9/11 was a godsend for the Empire. It doesn't prove that 9/11 was an inside job but certainly the motive was there.
China is an ally of Pakistan and I believe played a key role in helping Pakistan to acquire a nuclear capability. India appears to be in the American orbit.
There are two vast economic and military blocs shaping up. Oceania (US,UK,Canada,Australia,New Zealand)Israel and India versus Eurasia (Russia, China, Pakistan) Both sides possess such huge nuclear reserves that a direct war between them is unlikely. More likely is that the Fourth World War will be fought with proxy wars in the Third World just as the Third World War (Cold War) was. It may have been called the Cold War but it got pretty hot in parts of Asia and Africa.
In the long run Eurasia will overtake Oceania. Personally I am all for several poles of power in the world rather than just one. A unipolar world spells tyranny no matter who the hegemon is. Plus several poles of power gives small countries like the UK more room to manoeuvre. The danger is that Oceania will try and solve the problem of its relative economic decline by military means.
Which brings us back to 9/11. I must confess until recently I regarded the 9/11 truthers as pretty much kooks. Having been presented with hard evidence I'm more of an agnostic. It's hard to believe that the shadow statet could be quite so depraved as to murder several thousand of its own people in a false flag op. Bear in mind that those working in the WTC towers were some of the richest and most influential people in the land. Not to mention a direct hit on the Pentagon.
robert
@robert: 9/11 was a godsend for the Empire. It doesn't prove that 9/11 was an inside job
absolutely true. and, besides, blowback for US imperialism and support for Israel is a much simpler, and elegant, explanation.
I must confess until recently I regarded the 9/11 truthers as pretty much kooks
Same here. And have you ever seen the real 9/11 kooks in action? Its even worse. I once went to a speech my Amy Goodman when suddenly in the middle of her (very interesting) presentation a 9/11 kook began screaming "why do you not admit that 9/11 was an inside job!?!?!?!?!" over and over and over again. Frankly, I was hoping that somebody would punch the guy who was pissing off everybody with his obsession. Or listen to somebody like Alex Jones? Does he not remind you of Dubya? Jones is far smarter, for sure, but the looks, the squinting eyes, the wannabe macho voice...
Having been presented with hard evidence I'm more of an agnostic.
See, this is were I cannot follow you. Since, as I mention, there IS NO MORE "official" version, the "9/11 truth & explosive demolitions" theory is the ONLY GAME IN TOWN. And, please keep in mind, that a "theory" is not a narrative or a hypothesis. A theory is a complete model which explains the observed facts in a way congruate with scientific knowledge (something the official narrative NEVER did; this is why they had to very quietly dump it).
It's hard to believe that the shadow statet could be quite so depraved as to murder several thousand of its own people in a false flag op. Not at all. Remember Operation Cyanide and the Liberty. Or Pearl Harbour for that matter. Or the planned Operation Northwoods.
Bear in mind that those working in the WTC towers were some of the richest and most influential people in the land. Some, but clearly not enough of them to stop it.
Not to mention a direct hit on the Pentagon What is the highest rank of all the officers killed in the Pentagon?
I agree Saker, you make a good case that I can't argue with. I just have trouble getting my head round the enormity of it all. Also I'm not an engineering expert so I simply don't know whether the pancake theory makes sense as opposed to explosives.
You can simply believe that the shadow state knew the Al Qaeda lunatics were about to do a major hit on the US mainland and simply allowed it to go ahead. I find it easier to believe that than that they would take the risk of using explosives on the buildings even if they did get rid of a load of awkward documents in the process.
One thing we can agree on is that the Al Qaeda operatives were patsies just like Oswald. They achieved the opposite of their intentions enabling the Empire to invade the heart of the Islamic world and slaughter God knows how many Muslims in the process.
@ oldman
Quote: "When the US becomes at war with 1.5 Billion Muslims, both sides of the axis from hell will rejoice, expecting what will evolve from there to be to their liking".
What 'axis from hell', whose liking? The sole aggressor is the US, bent on global dominance. The world's 1.5 billion Muslims have been sucked into a global media propaganda/politically driven vortex which has produced a popular western acceptance of Islam as an innately violent belief system. Nonsense!
Anti-Islam phobia is a product of the City of London, the Privy Council, Wall Street, the European Central Bank and their corporate, media, military-industrial intelligence networks.
Best remedy is to listen to what your Muslim neighbor may have to say.
-- Dana
@anonymous13:59:'m not an engineering expert so I simply don't know whether the pancake theory makes sense as opposed to explosives.
You do not need to be an engineer to realize that the "Pancake theory" as been OFFICIALLY DROPPED by NIST.
QUOTE:
NIST’s findings do not support the “pancake theory” of collapse, which is premised on a progressive failure of the floor systems in the WTC towers (the composite floor system—that connected the core columns and the perimeter columns—consisted of a grid of steel “trusses” integrated with a concrete slab; see diagram below). Instead, the NIST investigation showed conclusively that the failure of the inwardly bowed perimeter columns initiated collapse and that the occurrence of this inward bowing required the sagging floors to remain connected to the columns and pull the columns inwards. Thus, the floors did not fail progressively to cause a pancaking phenomenon
UNQUOTE
source: http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/factsheets/faqs_8_2006.htm
As I said, we do not have two competing theories. We have, on one side, a fairy tale with NO theoretical basis at all, and on the other, a theory which is grounded in literally thousand of observed phenomena AND which is fully consistent with the laws of science and our understanding of physics.
The problem with just dismissing it as an inside job and those that negate any Bin Ladin involvement is that it negates international investigations and court cases never address in the mass media or information censored out when it is reported or given false narratives or the videos release since 9/11 like the smoking gun video in Afghanistan of Bin Ladin discussing the operation by simply claiming it was not him and that it was a double with his face digitally enhanced on it.
I think the simplest reason is that the US and Britain knew that the hijackers were going to do a traditional hostage airline hijacking situation and rehearse for it to happen but unexpected to them and a certain foreign intelligence agency Bin Ladin recruited pilots in the cell
So on one hand the terrorist did not even know it turned into a suicide mission with secret directive from Bin Ladin to the pilots on the mission and on the other the US and other intelligence were also thinking it was just a traditional hijacking with a clear political objective unbeknown to the majority of those involved in the conspiracy that it was a suicide mission which would be used to launch war against Iraq.
Who they are we don’t know? Not Atta that’s for sure.
I don't know if I will be able to post my 9/11 article before 9/11 as it is very hard to find articles and links to the Chechen connection.
For example before 9/11 on the 10th the US registered a call from the hijackers to the Panski Gorge in Georgia.
Yet I can’t find any articles on this so if anybody can find any post it here.
Also Greg Palast acquired secret FBI memo from the FBI office in Washington DC that months prior that the Whitehouse cancelled an investigation into Abdullah Bin Ladin who since the Balkans wars has been financing terrorism and is the major financier of Chechen terrorism financing the camps in Afghanistan (Russia even made reference to this it press release concerning the start of the second Chechen war) who since the Bosnian war Atta has been working through his Benevolence fund and 3 of his organisations are indicted in the 9/11 law suit which Atta and the others near while residing in the US.
I you want to understand 9/11 and US foreign policy since the mid 1970’s read Brzezinski’s book The Grand Chessboard which essentially and the people since the original Afghan war in 79 directing US foreign policy in key positions like Morton I. Abramowitz.
http://www.wanttoknow.info/brzezinskigrandchessboard
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Morton_Abramowitz
Although not listed in the source watch file on him he was also instrumental in Washington officially recognizing Xinjing as independent East Turkmenistan by the US state department.
http://letsibeledmondsspeak.blogspot.com/2008/07/court-documents-shed-light-on-cia.html
@jack:just dismissing it as an inside job and those that negate any Bin Ladin involvement
I don't remember anybody saying that. At least not here. Speaking for myself, I am not *negating* Bin Laden's possible (but not yet established!) role, I am just putting it into a different context.
I see Bin Laden and the entire al-Qaeda as an extension of the covert branch of the CIA, so I am not in the least surprised that somebody, though not necessarily the CIA "as an agency" would have used them for 9/11. One possibility is that when those who did 9/11 became aware of the Bojinka-like plan of al-Qaeda to smash some planes into the WTC they decided to "piggyback" their own operation on top of this plan. Whatever may be the case, I am definitely not excluding a role for OBL and the rest of the Wahabi zombies in this plan. But I know, I KNOW, two things:
a) the planes did not bring the towers
b) OBL & Co. could not rig the towers with explosives
As for the rest, I am very open to the discussion of what role precisely, if any, OBL and al-Qaeda played in all this.
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